Curse

death_hawk · May 10, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

I know ANET took out the refund point system for the current system, but I'm proposing that they re-implement them. How many times have you ran outside after messing with your skills just to learn that you forgot to set your attribute points.

actionjack · May 10, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Uh.. that is a strange reason for asking to bring the refund points back.

Granted it would add to lots trouble, and complain everywhere and lead to in-flexable builds, I think Reund Point still do have an added game-play virture(which was lost when it was taken out). It cut down the on all those cookie cutter clones....

I also want Skill Gems back!

=HT=Ingram · May 10, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

well with things the way they are now you would be back to 100% refund with just 1 repeatable quest or mission... but I doubt there will be a reason to do it in the long run...

However never let it be said I am not for hearing out a legitimate reason why it should... would you care to elaborate more on your reason Death_Hawk? Just curious where your thinking at this point....

Farin · May 10, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Then you run back in and set them Instead of having to get experience to re-set them if you don't have enough to set them the way you want. Keep them the way they are, they're perfect.

clarianaeneas · May 10, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Umm, yeah....no.

Refund points were removed from the game (and good riddance) because they were too much of a hassle.

The reason you gave for this isn't really sufficient to give up easy and fast attribute reconfiguration, sorry.

Ishmaeel · May 10, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

I guess a more elegant solution would be a warning popup along the lines of :

"You have equipped Spiteful Spirit but your Curses attribute is below 16. Are you sure you want to leave this Outpost? (Y/N)"

...which would be a nice addition along with the Hand-Holder NPCs and other warning dialogs I hear they are implementing right now, such as:

"You are about to sell a Godly Mursaat Hammer to Arnaud (Merchant). Are you sure you want to continue? They are worth Hell of a lot more in Lion's Arch right now."

</almost but not quite entirely unlike serious>

Blitzy · May 10, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Erm, how would refund points stop you running out of town without setting em?

death_hawk · May 10, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Let me clarify:
Keep the existing system, but have refund points out in Explorable areas and PvP arenas. Too many times have I accidently entered a GvG without the right attribute points left (usually as a monk when someone requests a build change)

Towns/Outposts:
Attribute points changeable
Explorable areas and PvP arenas:
Refund points (even something like 5 or 10) They reset each time you enter a town or outpost

For example:
A couple days ago, me and my guild GvGed. We had a whole stack of people on, and I was one of the better monks. I was running straight healing when we did the people swap for the next one. Someone told me to go prot. I agreed since I was a better monk than the new guy coming in, and had more experience with prot. Anyway... I swapped all my skills but forgot to set the attributes to Prot instead of healing. It's entirely my fault for not checking, but it would have been nice if refund points were still available for me to at least take something out of healing and put into prot.

I've done stuff similiar to this in the past. Someone requests an Axe when I'm a hammer. Same idea.

Loomy · May 10, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

May this thread be banished to the dark pits

actionjack · May 10, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

if I remember right, it used to be where you could change your attribute points when ever you want (in town or in exploration area) But since it is restricted by the "Refund Points", that is allowed.

How about just adding a NPC in the exploration area where when talk to, they will allow you to modify your attribut points while in the area.

Dougal Kronik · May 10, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

So, let me get this straight.

You want the refund points reinstated but they will only be used when outside of towns when you are in an arena or explorable area. And once used to tweak your build, because you accidently misplaced some attribute points, the refund points would only reset once back in a town.

kvndoom · May 10, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

No...way...in...HELL. That was such a huge PITA, and I was very glad to see it go. Every time you decided to go from Sword to Axe, or Healing to Smiting, etc, you had to spend 12 of those things, and you had a limit of the number you could have at any time (I think it was 20, so you couldn't even do two full change-outs without having to grind). That was TOTALLY in contradiction to Anet's "skill vs. time played" motto.

Once I had to take someone out and grind out XP for him because he had accidentally put his attirbutes into a secondary that he didn't use instead of his weapon, and thus couldn't kill anything until he had enough points to re-adjust his attributes. It really limited versatility and experimentation.

Ishmaeel · May 10, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

@death_hawk: Thank you for the clarification post. It makes much more sense, this way. I hereby withdraw my previous sarcastic post.

@kvndoom & Loomy: Read the second post by the OP. He (assumption?) means something else entirely.

Those said, while this is a nice idea, I think the original intention of devs was to promote preparation and planning before entering a mission (PvE or PvP). This would not be too universally useful in many cases other than where you equipped your skills for a different build but forgot to set the corresponding attributes - and you stated as much but it is not something that cannot be prevented with a post-it(tm) note on your monitor. Since the skills you take with you come with certain attribute requirements, changing the attribs on-the-fly would not be very beneficial if you also cannot change skills on-the-fly. And that one I don't see coming, since it would be the point of ultimate abuse in PvP.

lishi · May 10, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Refound point in pvp arena will be stupid...

=HT=Ingram · May 10, 2006, 11:09 AM // 11:09

ahhh now I get what you are wanting. sorry no. can't sign off on that one... That would give just a little too much a player when they suddenly discover they are outmatched. don't say rdy unless you are. problem solved...

Esprit · May 10, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

You want refund points back because you forgot to set some attributes? Maybe you should pay better attention to your attribute points rather than have ANET hold your hand.

quickmonty · May 10, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

So .... you want a terrible thing returned to the game because you are forgetful?

I have an idea ..... lets install pop up barriers at traffic lights in case people "forget" to stop at red lights!

/sarcasm off

JR · May 10, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

Learn to check your attributes.

crimsonfilms · May 10, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

This is sad. Talk about dumbing down the game.

Tarun · May 10, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

/not signed - they removed them to add more flexibility to the game.